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03/13/2011

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bubba

"Some Republican officials say they worry that... the activist style of (Hyde's) group would be bad for the county GOP."

Sounds like a cleaned up version to me. Here's what should have been in the story: "I will continue to be vocal in an effort to keep these folks out of any leadership role in the local party...."

That's a direct quote.

bubba

"As a result, Hyde's quest to become Chairman has become even more difficult now that he has to face Al Bouldin."

If some of the reports I'm getting are correct, Hyde's quest to become Chairman may become more difficult for other internal reasons.

There may be some real surprises tomorrow night during the process.

Tony Wilkins

BAU Bubba, there are good, dedicated people in c4gc who I consider friends and compliment often. You don't have to play the Dick Tracy act for me to verify my disgust for the leaders of that group.
My introduction to c4gc was as follows. They lied to me, they lied about me, and the queen posted how great it would be to dismantle the Republican Party while she sat on our executive committee. Care to talk about hypocrites, bubba? I notice you have not addressed the character issues that I previously posted. You or Joe won't address the pattern of dishonesty because you can't defend it as the facts as stated are documented.
I don't expect you to extract your head from Joe's ass long enough to be concerned about actual facts in this matter so there is certainly no need for me to engage you in conversation.
Good luck Sam. I'd love to see you and bubba duke it out in court.
Have at it and enjoy BAU bubba.

bubba

"I don't expect you to extract your head from Joe's ass long enough to be concerned about actual facts in this matter so there is certainly no need for me to engage you in conversation."

The pattern of arrogance and assumption we've seen from you over the last few years is well established.

Come find me tomorrow night, and we will continue this conversation.......publicly.

bubba

On the other hand, perhaps I'll wait for some of the "business as usual" crowd to open their big mouthes first about this issue. ALL bets are off at that point.

Spag

No Bubba, I contacted Rich before Joe's post. I assumed that Joe already knew for several days that Brenner was at that meeting.

Joe, as far as what would have happened tomorrow night if Yon stayed in I can only say that it depends on several things, some of which relate to information about alleged actions behind the scenes that I will write more about tomorrow. If there was an effort to undermine Yon politically, it has almost certainly backfired because Bouldin is a stronger candidate. Exactly who was behind any such effort I cannot say at this time. I have been in communication with Jeff Hyde earlier today and he denied knowing of any organized effort against Yon. Jeff has also been gracious in his remarks about Theresa Yon.

As far Riddleberger, we continue to disagree. Should Obama have pretended Bill Ayers didn't exist and ignore all warnings and advice about how his association could be used by his opponents?

I fully agree that there is a struggle between conservatives and more moderate elements within the party, and my record demonstrates overwhelmingly and without apology that I am on the conservatives side in this struggle. But I really do believe that there was a complete overreaction and misinterpretation of what Person A and Brenner were doing at that meeting. People who care about the movement will not sugar coat the truth to make people happy and even Jeff Hyde has said that there was no threat.

Tony Wilkins

I have no intention of having a conversation with you publically or privately.

bubba

"But I really do believe that there was a complete overreaction and misinterpretation of what Person A and Brenner were doing at that meeting."

There was no basis for a meeting with intermediaries in the first place. The conversation was misdirected.

Secondly, regarding your Ayers/Obama reference earlier, you're WAY out of line. You need to understand this: Riddleberger admitted his guilt. He repented of his sin, and asked and received forgiveness from God.

Ayers beat the rap, and publicly gloated about his guilt. He continues unrepentant to this day, and has continued to reap destruction upon our nation's education system.

Whose reputation is more rightly blighted by a friendship?

bubba

On the other hand, perhaps my reputation is blighted by my past friendship with Tony Wilkins, so Ill need to repent and ask forgiveness for my error of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

Brandon Burgess

Spag, from the beginning I thought about figures like Ayers and how this would have been discussed were it democrats who were involved. I was content with not pointing it out and letting the hypocrisy speak for itself.

Thanks again for the balanced and nuanced coverage of the event. As someone who has never been a member of any party, I am particularly interested in how these entities (mal)function.

bubba

"I have no intention of having a conversation with you publically or privately."

Really?

Starting when?

Spag

"He repented of his sin, and asked and received forgiveness from God."

Would you let Obama get away with saying that about Ayers just because he knows him and thinks he may be a great guy? What about if Edwards said that about himself? Bill Clinton repented, too.

Further, repenting before God makes no difference in politics. That's where I think you guys are missing the boat. YOU may know Barrett. YOU may think he is a great guy. YOU may think God has forgiven him and he is a changed man. All of those things may be true, but it makes no difference in politics because the vast majority of people do not know him nor will they ever know him nor will many of them accept the premise.

He cannot recover from this politically nor can any movement that he has a major role in. Call any political strategist from anywhere across the spectrum and they will tell you the same thing. John Edwards has a better chance of becoming a credible political voice again.

That is the cold hard fact.

Joe Guarino

Leaving aside any discussion of redemption or repentance, other points previously made-- which are of huge relevance-- are that Barrett's actions were as a young man, quite a long time ago, and that he has since turned his life around. Those extenuating circumstances, in combination with the fact that he was not a candidate, and has a wife and three children and a business, should have led decent folks to leave the matter alone.

And that is precisely what bloggers, media people and Democrats did for several months when they knew about it. They left it alone.

Barrett is no Bill Ayers. He is a sinner, just like you and me.

Obama's association with Ayers was, and continues to be, evidence of his radicalism. Jeff Hyde's friendship with Barrett is evidence of... what?

bubba

"Would you let Obama get away with saying that about Ayers just because he knows him and thinks he may be a great guy? What about if Edwards said that about himself? Bill Clinton repented, too."

Riddleberger has shown his repentance in many different ways. Ayers has specificaly NOT repented, and has shown he will NOT do so.

Edwards, Clinton and any other similar types have lied too much, and distorted too many facts too many times to be credible. Riddleberger has done nothing to indicate he is not sincere.

"Further, repenting before God makes no difference in politics.......He cannot recover from this politically nor can any movement that he has a major role in."

Irrelevant to the point now under discussion.

Spag

Joe, JODI brought this to the attention of the public, not A or Brenner. Quit pretending otherwise. Barrett is the one who took such a high profile knowing what was in his past and naively believing that somehow that would never come out if he took a role in the political arena. Yet you try to blame others for putting his family at risk?

Decent people should have known better because he REPENTED? This is politics Joe, not a fairy tale.

You guys are living in the cocoon of those around you when it comes to Barrett.

bubba

One other thing regarding Ayers: I understand there is no statute of limitations for a murder indictment.

Spag

Rev. Wright? He preaches the gospel...

bubba

"Joe, JODI brought this to the attention of the public, not A or Brenner...."

Much to the delight of Tony Wilkins, whom could then use it to further his not so secret agenda against Hyde and C4GC.

Spag

Yeah, Tony made Jodi do it.

Spag

Joe can you honestly say that you would take the same position if Barrett was actively involved in a left wing group and people from First Presbyterian or one of the other churches that you often criticise for their liberalism were defending him claiming that he had repented and God had forgiven him?

What if such a person was closely tied to Skip Alston and was helping to advance Skip's agenda?

What about the organization that the guy was involved with? Would you question their credibility or moral authority with such a person involved?

Understand, this isn't about any personal feelings I have regarding Barrett. I have never met him. This isn't about Hyde- I have already stated that Hyde isn't responsible for Barrett's past. This is about political viability and public perception.

The admirable goals of C4GC are at risk whether you want to acknowledge it or not and regardless of whether it is fair or not.

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